Return From Underground Seminar

I am fresh back from the Underground Seminar 6, hosted by Yanik Silver in Washington DC. As usual, I have some observations from the event that I thought I’d share.

One might ask… “David, you’re a blogger. Why are you at an internet marketing event and not at SXSW where all the other bloggers are?”

The fast answer is because the two events conflicted and I had to make a choice. The slightly longer answer is that I made that choice because I realize what is important for business. I could be in Austin chugging beers, or I could be in Washington strategizing to expand my business and my brand. It is obvious which I chose.

I hope everybody at SXSW had a lot of fun. I’ve actually never been to that event and I know it is a big annual event for my industry. Perhaps I’ll make it in 2011.

What is Underground Seminar?

yanik-silver-underground-seminar-6 Simply put, it is an internet marketing conference. Yanik hosts it every year as a themed event. The theme always revolves around spying, and this year the theme was 007, James Bond. They had one hell of a set on the stage, too, to back it up. I’ve never been to any conference where the opening was full of music, fog and lasers. Yes, lasers.

This event isn’t cheap. I paid $2K to attend. The truth of the matter, though, is that this means only serious players bother coming. It weeds out people who aren’t serious, and that is reflected in the crowd. I haven’t hung out with such a brilliant, more successful group of folks in a long time.

Changing Face of Internet Marketing

I am detecting a definite sea shift in this field of internet marketing.

In my opinion, the words “internet marketing” have been tainted by those douchebags who are doing it all wrong. Obviously, there are always those who try to pull a fast one for a quick buck. They’ll try to manipulate people into buying shit, and it has created a bad taste in the mouth of some with regard to internet marketing.

Things are changing. 2009 saw some major regulatory changes with the FTC rule changes and then Visa/MC cracking down on shady marketing practices. A lot of the dishonest marketers are falling away.

At the same time, many of the traditional “gurus” of internet marketing are shifting their emphasis. Frank Kern has gone more into the background role of helping clients orchestrate huge launches. He still does launches (as seen with the recent List Control launch), but not as much. John Reese and Mike Filsaime are both shifting into the software market, so my understanding is they’ll be working on software services as opposed to the usual “make money” stuff.

As I noticed at Underground, there is a very definite vibe toward both personal development as well as philanthropy. I’m seeing a lot more emphasis on being better people, on helping the world and giving back. We’re talking about a very real balance between successful business, fun, and giving back.

All in all, these are some of the best, most brilliant people I’ve hung out with in a long time. What it also shows me is that it is MINDSET which is most important to success.

There is nothing better than surrounding yourself with smart, successful, driven people who also like to have fun and give back to the world.

This is what is so great about conferences. And why I bother to hop on planes and travel to these things.

Thoughts on Attending Conferences

My guess is that many in my audience look at this and think something like “Must be nice to be able to attend a conference.” As if it is just luck on my part that I was fortunate to be able to make it.

No, it was just a decision.

In my opinion, people who say they’re going to have to wait to attend conferences like this until they can afford it are making a mistake. You’re saying that you’ll stay in the trap until the trap lets you out. Well, it won’t happen. Not unless you make it happen. You’ve got to open the door to that trap, walk outside, then look back at the cage and realize what a load of bullshit it was. Surround yourself with people who are doing what you want to accomplish.

It makes all the difference.

Perhaps a $2K conference like Underground is too much for you. Well, try to make it to BlogWorld in October perhaps. There are great people at that event as well.

Some High-Level Take-Away’s From Underground

As I wrap up this post, I thought I would leave you with some avenues of focus that I took away from this event. These are things I’ll be working on.

  • More Outsourcing. I’m realizing more and more what a bottleneck I’m allowing myself to be. Sure, I’ve got people working for me, but I should not only utilize them more, but bring on new people with skills that I don’t have. One of the speakers described his own 95/5 rule. In other words, pick the 5% of tasks that you’re good at and do those, then hire people to do the other 95%. It is a sound principle. One of the most common things among the most successful people at Underground was the efficient use of others as well as attracting the right people to work with.
  • I’m going to be doing more webinars. More on this later. :)
  • Live a more balanced life. I was really happy to see such a strong emphasis at this conference of life balance. I was inspired not only to purposely inject more non-work stuff into my life, but also to find more ways to give back. Life is not about the big bank accounts. It is about constant giving, constant personal growth, and keeping focus on what really matters. Underground served as a good reminder for me on this, and I think it also hit me at a good moment seeing as I just had my second child a few weeks ago.
  • We’re all in the customer service business. This was a message from Gary Vaynerchuk and one I’ve heard him make before. Sell things to your audience, and treat your customers like gold.

IMG_0577 I have a bunch of notes on various marketing strategies and resources, but that’s all much more than will fit in a blog post.

Overall, great event. And, yes, I do plan to attend again next year.

Bloggers, if you are serious about living the internet lifestyle, then you need to branch out. This business means nothing if you only focus on blogging and social media. If you can’t utilize those things for selling, you’ll be broke. So, I think bloggers should attend both social media conferences, but also marketing conferences. I saw very few bloggers at Underground, and I hope to see more next year.

The information is out there. Lots of people are showing the way (including me, quite frankly). It serves you no good to look the other way just because it might be offered on a long-form sales letter. Those kinds of knee-jerk reactions can rob you of some golden opportunities.

And those are my thoughts. :)

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  • http://sidsavara.com Sid Savara

    Hey David,

    Happy to hear you'll be doing more webinars – I've been really impressed by your presentation skills. Sometimes I've even heard the information presented before, but the way you present it really sticks with me – you lay out why it matters, give some context, and then you always seem to go one level deeper than everyone else. If someone else has something described as just a bullet point and leave it at that, you give the bullet point it's own slide and discussion, and the way you do it, it all just really clicks for me.

    The seminar sounds often. More and more I'm thinking the costs of these things can't just be compared to what you might learn, and concerned about well I can't miss two days of my business to attend. I think the mindset needs to also be, who will be there that I will connect with – and what will it cost my business *not* to attend.

  • http://davidrisley.com David Risley

    Thanks for the complements. :-)

    And, yeah, I think people need to not look at the expense of a conference as much as the gain of it. Realize that if you make an effort to implement the stuff learned at almost any of these conferences, the cost of the trip will be recovered many times over. It isn't only the information, it is the value of the contacts and personal networking at these events, too.

  • remarkablogger

    “You’re saying that you’ll stay in the trap until the trap lets you out. ” <– that is awesome. I have so much work to do that I didn't go to either one, though I did get Kern's List Control.

    But you got me thinking that Underground might be the way to go next year instead of SXSW.

  • http://website-in-a-weekend.net/ Dave Doolin

    David, I just “came out of the closet” over on Mike Cliffe-Jones blog. He ran an article on Frank Kern's List Control… I had to say, I just don't have that much problem with internet marketing. I love the 3rd Tribe stuff too, but I'm having a really hard time drawing a line between that and paying my landlord!

    Webinars… Cain't stand 'em… in part because I don't like video… in part because they are stupedously effective at sales… heh… Robert Plank just sold me into his membership course using a webinar… first one I had watched in a couple of years.

    Seminars: this one was out of my league in both skill and cash… but I'm planning on Blog World… (& not riding the plastic carpet).

    I'll come out of another closet here… I *love* well-written long form sales letters! The best are almost works of art. The Youngest Old Guy In Internet Marketing (RP) is especially talented at long form.

    Thanks for the detailed report.

  • LifeBlazing

    “I haven’t hung out with such a brilliant, more successful group of folks in a long time.” David, I couldn't agree more. I think my IQ got raised just by being there!

    I was one of the Idea Detectives. We didn't get to chat long, but I hope to at future events… maybe one of your upcoming webinars :-)

  • http://www.paydayfreedom.com/ David

    Hi David,

    Glad to have you back and I too am looking forward to seeing more of your webinars. Its time to get deeper and more serious about my marketing efforts and I appreciate everything you have taught me so far.

  • http://www.cruisinaltitude.com/ Jeff

    Well said David.

    I was there as well and got a chance to talk with David. I also met people who I would never have met under any other circumstances. I literally mortgaged myself in order to make that event as I've been told it is not one to be missed and indeed, it is not. The connections I've made at UG6 will last forever. My to do list is perhaps longer than David's :-) .

    I highly recommend that the readers attend at least one conference a year and choose that conference wisely. The social consciousness factor was big as well, not to mention the inspirational speakers. Because of one of the speakers at this conference, I've overcome my fear of success and can now take on projects and complete them successfully.

    I hope you guys listen to David's words here and Webinars it is. Can't wait to see David's take on this one.

    Jeff

  • iandaniel

    Just hearing the words 'Long Form Sales Letter' increases my HR to 180 BPM! Good post and insights though David.

  • http://www.tellusfuture.com/ Fredrik Wallinder

    Yes, going to conferences is all about meeting people. I attended one yesterday in my field astrobiology, and it was quite good in that respect. Scientists go all over the world for conferences since they're in a cut-throat competition for funds and need leverage. Kern's launch is the best I've seen sofar, impressive that he got about one thousand customers the first day. Guess my launch of astronomy products will not be that successful, people are only interested in relationships, money and power it seems.

  • http://davidrisley.com David Risley

    Yeah, it is a very different crowd.

    I've heard several people kinda rip on SXSW this year, too. Sounds like it is kinda sliding, but I don't know.

  • grollett

    Hey David – glad to see you made the event. I love Yanik's style and the way he brings in speakers that are not from the “guru” market. I wanted to make it out there but yea, it's a business decision and there are a ton of music conferences this month that made more sense.

    Thanks for the notes and looking forward to seeing you implement some of this stuff over the next few weeks.

  • http://davidrisley.com David Risley

    Funny how you consider it a “closet”. Seriously, I wish more bloggers even gave these people the time of day.

    And, yes, webinars are good sales tools. I know. :)

  • http://davidrisley.com David Risley

    Thanks, man. And good name you've got there. ;-)

  • http://davidrisley.com David Risley

    Good hanging out with you, Jeff.

  • http://thewordpresschick.com/ Kim Doyal The WordPress Chick

    Hey David,
    While I didn't make it to UG6, I went to a couple conferences last year and it made the BIGGEST difference in my business! I'm looking forward to the next one I'm able to attend.

    Looking forward to more webinars too….your direct approach at being a blogger AND a marketer is refreshing!

  • MarketingWIthRick

    David:

    Okay you got me. I am one of those that has been afraid to spend the money to attend one of these conferences. However, it is one of my goals for this year so I will have to attend one sometime this year.

    Thanks for sharing your thoughts about the event. It helps those of that have never been to an event determine which ones are worth going to.

    I look forward to more webinars.

    - Rick

  • http://juniorbiz.com Nick Tart

    Hey David! I'm one of the young entrepreneurs who was at the event. It was nice to meet you and sorry we didn't get to chat more. They kept us busy the whole time.

    You're absolutely right, there is going to be a gigantic shift in internet marketing over the next year. Red text and yellow highlighting is going to stop working. And, I second that whole concept of people saying, “I can't afford to learn how to make money on the internet.”

    Nicely put!

  • http://www.thegreenfamilia.co.uk Brenda Cuby

    Great post, what events would you recommend to attend in the UK or Europe this year, as I do not think the family will be too happy at me jetting off to the US for a conference and leaving them behind!

  • http://www.stogblog.com BrandonEllis

    David, Thanks for your key insights from Underground. I plan on being there next year for sure and may see you at BlogWorld. as well. What's a top Ninja marketing tactic you learned? Also kudos to your 6 figure blogger e-book. I have listened to the book on my mp3 several times. Why don't more folks give more options then just an e-book?!

    Any who, keep up the great work!

    Brandon

  • http://www.gphoenix.org/graham-phoenix-web-sites/ Graham Phoenix

    But what do you want to do? You love your family, yes, but do they have to rule your life. Just for once leave them behind and go do what will be great for your business. Lots of love, Graham.

  • http://www.thegreenfamilia.co.uk Brenda Cuby

    Hey Graham thanks for the comment, I do happen to leave my family at least every 5-6 weeks to go off on work related jaunts back in the UK, we live in Gibraltar at present and I still have clients in UK and this is no problem for them or me, but the US is just a little bit far to head off for a couple of days, so am looking for some of these events in Europe or UK to begin with. Any suggestions?

  • http://www.gphoenix.org/graham-phoenix-web-sites/ Graham Phoenix

    David, great to hear about Underground. It sounds fun and worth it. Well done for going where it will help your business. I love the networking at conferences and shows. A great way to get involved is to get to speak at them, that is really powerful. In my professional niche as a lighting designer I am speaking at one soon in Las Vegas, have a bid in for one in Colorado in October and I am visiting a big show in Frankfurt later this month. I would l thoroughly recommend it to anyone not sure whether to get involved.

  • http://www.gphoenix.org/graham-phoenix-web-sites/ Graham Phoenix

    Brenda, great to hear that you do go off. The US is not that far… I used to go there about every 6 weeks from the UK for weekend meetings… I loved it!

    I don't know of any in Europe off hand, will keep my ear to the ground.

  • jjlapoint99

    You are oh so right, my friend. You've got to get out and see what the rest of the world is doing! You've got to get fresh new ideas! You've got to feel a little bit uncomfortable that you are not doing all the things you should be doing to make your business grow and to add that extra value to your clients.

    And if blogger don't realize they've got “clients”, not just customers or readers or followers — then we'll NEVER make this a business.

    Good stuff!

    Best,

    Judi

  • http://blog.adsdevshop.com Robert Dempsey

    Thanks for the post David. I'm heading back to Orlando tomorrow from being at SXSW, and can say that next year I'll be going to Underground rather than SXSW.

    I'm also glad to hear that the unethical people in the industry are falling by the wayside, as they should. There is enough to handle without those people.

    Great points all around. I'm looking forward to the lessons you learned at the conf too.

  • http://evengrounds.com/blog Julius

    I'm glad that efforts such as that event are being made to greatly improve the quality of internet marketing. Being new to this field, I understand what you said about certain Internet marketers who don't care about their customers and are just there to make money.

  • matthewneedham

    David, this sounds a great event that you got a lot out of. Personally, I'm not that into webinars, as I travel a lot and for me I can read much more quickly, but I know a lot of people are. I think I'm going to be looking at these in the next few months. Thanks for reinforcing this message for me.

  • http://www.Trainwithshane.com/ Deborah Shane

    Wow, what a concept…”work life balance”..It's a challenge, a mystery and a MUST. Change Keeps Marching On..fast, furious, unrelenting. The way we do business and how we create our customer experience changes daily.. Conversations reveal the importance of focusing on sales, marketing, quality, consistency. And yes, weeding through the “the fakes” that prey on the inexperienced and naive. Unfortunately, that will always happen. I appreciate your authentic, honest approach and how you really care about your people. We can learn from and help each other with these open forums for sharing ideas and information. Thanks David.

  • http://erica.biz ericabiz

    SXSW was freaking awesome. I didn't see anyone “rip on SXSW” at all! Maybe those people weren't there?

    I think you discount what SXSW has to offer. I've been to marketing conferences (duh, we met at one :) and I understand their value. SX is different. You can approach people who are at the top of their game and ask questions and make connections. There's nothing like submitting a guest post to a popular blog and being able to say “Yeah, we had a great conversation at SXSW.” It's quite effective.

    I don't regret my choice to go to SXSW this year over a marketing conference.

    -Erica

  • http://janebradbury.com/ Jane Bradbury

    Thanks for sharing your thoughts, it's given me a lot to think about and how I might be well-positioned to make use of this shift.

  • http://www.theinfopreneur.net/ TheInfoPreneur

    two grand for a seminar, that is a hell of a lot of cash, sounds like it was worth while though. Out of interest was the value in you making new contacts or learning new skills?

    Just trying to figure out the whole cost versus ROI point of view. How did the organisers come up with that figure?

    Genuine question brother

  • http://www.cruisinaltitude.com/ Jeff

    TheInfoPreneur,

    My take, since I was at the conference: The value was both (making new contacts and learning new skills) for me and also re-engaging current contants. Think of it this way; when you wanted an education, you paid the college tuition, right? This is no different in my mind.
    I can’t speak for the organizers about the cost, but that is their business not mine to be frank. Conference are what you make of it. And, I always ensure that I get my ROI out of every conference. Sometimes, though ROI is not always measured in dollars.
    I had met David once before and meeting him again, gave me a chance to chat with him some more and understand him better. Granted I perhaps could have done that otherwise, but the conference made that easier…

    David may have a totally different take on your questions.
    http://www.cruisinaltitude.com

  • harvestwages

    Hey David,
    This was a positive investment, just $2k.
    How i wish i were at that webinar. i love been surrounded with like minded people; people who can bring out the best in me, people who help gear my focus towards success. I look towards attending the next event.

  • http://davidrisley.com David Risley

    I took a bunch of notes on various marketing tactics, and I have yet to process what I'm going to do with them. So, stay tuned on that. :-)

  • http://davidrisley.com David Risley

    There will always be people in the internet marketing space doing things for a quick buck… its just getting harder for them to do it.

    Oh, and don't read into my post to think that Kern, Reese and Filsaime are of that ilk. I don't see them that way at all. They wouldn't have succeeded if they just screwed people over.

  • http://blog.adsdevshop.com Robert Dempsey

    I didn't get that at all and agree with you. I follow everyone you mentioned and have great respect for their capabilities.

  • http://davidrisley.com David Risley

    Not sure how they came up with the price tag, but it isn't out of the ordinary, really. There are a lot of seminars and conferences in various industries that cost far more.

    As for ROI, the thing thing to keep in mind is that ROI is going to be based on implementation. Just meeting people and taking notes doesn't provide any return on cost nor travel time. But, most conferences, if you hand-pick just a few things from it and implement the hell out of them, that's where the payoff is.

  • http://davidrisley.com David Risley

    I saw some people rip into it some on Twitter. General vibe was that it isn't what it used to be. Kinda chaotic, not well organized.

    BTW, the reasons you started are exactly why you need to be at BlogWorld this year. Hope to see ya. :-)

  • http://erica.biz ericabiz

    Yep, only reason I wasn't there last time was because I was speaking at another seminar that same weekend. This time I will definitely be there!

  • http://davidrisley.com David Risley

    Look forward to seeing you again. :-)

  • http://escapehatcher.com/ Susan M. Baker

    I like your takeaways…I also liked some of the down and dirty stuff the young moguls offered as well as Matt from 99 Designs – and how about Susan Hill with all of the url's? I agree with you on the emphasis of lifestyle entrepreneurialism I think some people start out on that path and then quickly find themselves working more hours than they did at their 9-5 – this is where (as you say) outsourcing can become invaluable.

    I, like you so strongly believe in the implementation part – notes on paper are just that until you take action – I am still trying to suss out the 10 or so from both conferences that I want to utilize right away. Great stuff David thanks for sharing!

  • http://www.thinkandimagine.blogspot.com Segedoo

    Great to know you finally went to Yanik's seminar Dave. I thought you would have gone since you released the Blog Wealth Gap report.

    I know that bloggers will do better than internet marketers soon as our model is based on People First.

  • http://landingstripfilms.com/NaplesCommonSense/ Jeff Wardrop

    Hey Dave,

    Sounds like a great event and I plan on going next year. Would love to hear more about your experience. I had a conflict and missed the Blog Masters call today. I will catch up when it is posted. Thanks for everything so far!

    Jeff

  • Adam Gilad

    Hey David — great meeting you at the conference. Been following you for a while. I agree — there was such a powerful emphasis on creating GOOD in the world, creating INSPIRATION and reaching out and empowering others.

    I mean, what else is there really to do?!

    Best,

    Adam Gilad
    http://www.AttractConnectInspire.com

  • Adam Gilad

    Hey David — great meeting you at the conference. Been following you for a while. I agree — there was such a powerful emphasis on creating GOOD in the world, creating INSPIRATION and reaching out and empowering others.

    I mean, what else is there really to do?!

    Best,

    Adam Gilad
    http://www.AttractConnectInspire.com

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