Alternative to Thrive Leads

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      • September 21, 2021 at 9:27 am #3533180


        On my sites, I use Thrive Leads to capture the email addresses of my new subscribers.

        The Smart Links feature is great for adapting the forms for subscribers, while keeping the normal forms for normal visitors. But on a member site, it’s useless: logged-in members always see the normal forms.

        So I’m looking for an alternative to Thrive Leads that would not display the forms to logged-in members (or an adapted version). And if, in addition, this alternative could do a/b testing…

        Note: I am looking for a solution integrated with WordPress (a plugin) that works with Fluent CRM.

        Thanks in advance for your answers.

        • September 21, 2021 at 9:27 am #3533188

          There is more than one way to tackle this. And it may not even require changing out Thrive Leads.

          For instance, one way would be to put your forms into blocks or widgets. Then, use a plugin to conditionally control the display of those blocks/widgets. One plugin is called Block Visibility and it allows you to define criteria to show/hide Gutenburg blocks.

          Another option is WP Fusion, although if this is all you use it for it would be overkill. It can show/hide anything based on tags, loggedin status, etc.

          • September 21, 2021 at 9:27 am #3533191

            Thank you for the answer.

            Indeed, in a Gutenberg block or widget, it will work fine.

            But for forms outside a Gutenberg block or widget, like slide-in or screen filler lightbox, how to do it?… Thrive Leads does not integrate with other plugins. And I don’t think WP Fusion works on Thrive Leads slide-in or screen filler lightbox. I did not see the option…

            • September 21, 2021 at 9:27 am #3533192

              I had also thought of disabling Thrive Leads for logged in members. I tried a few plugins, including Perfmatters, to do this. But it didn’t work. Or maybe I did it wrong.

              • September 21, 2021 at 9:27 am #3533197

                The PerfMatters approach should work. Be sure you test it on a private browser window, tho. Keep in mind, tho, that disabling Thrive Leads altogether would turn off every form, not just the slide-ins.

                I use ConvertBox, so haven’t actually used Thrive Leads in a long time now on this site.

                • September 21, 2021 at 9:27 am #3533206

                  Thanks David: your suggestions helped me find a solution!

                  You told me about Block Visibility (which I didn’t know) and WP Fusion (which I use). I tried Block Visibility and it’s really powerful : thanks for the extra tool 🙂

                  From your WP Fusion reminder, I went to see the WP Fusion integrations. It integrates with several lead generation plugins. So, I looked for the one that would have the functionality I’m missing, while having some essential features of Thrive Leads.

                  And I found it: Convert Pro!

                  With Convert Pro, I can do everything I was doing with Thrive Leads. The visual editor is less powerful. But the Thrive Leads one was too powerful and complex: I was only using 30% of the possibilities.

                  Most importantly, with Convert Pro, I can decide to show or hide a specific form from users who have already logged in to your website. Exactly what I was looking for ! And WP Fusion adds a bonus : show or hide a form based on a logged-in user’s tags in the CRM (for me FluentCRM).

                  Now I can show a form to everyone, or only to visitors (so not logged in), or only to all members (because logged in), or only to some members (because logged in with a specific tag).

                  This is more than I wanted! But it solves my current problem. Perfect!

                  • September 21, 2021 at 9:27 am #3533207

                    More globally, about Thrive Suite that I use a lot today, I’m thinking about not using it anymore.

                    I only use Thrive Architect and Thrive Leads. I played around a bit with Thrive Theme Builder but I stopped.

                    They are good, if not great, products that have served me well.

                    But I find that they have two big problems.

                    1/ They are very powerful tools. But in fact, they are too powerful and complex for what I do with them. I have to use only 20 to 30% of the possibilities.

                    2/ They don’t integrate well at all with other plugins. Thrive Automator surely allows for a few things. But it doesn’t fundamentally change things.

                    I have to switch from Thrive Architect to the classic editor (or Gutenberg) to edit the content or configure Rank Math (or Social Warfare). With Gutenberg, I have everything at hand: Rank Math, Social Warfare, FluentCRM conditional blocks, WP Fusion settings, …

                    The direct integration or cooperation between plugins, sometimes with WP Fusion, is really great !

                    On the other hand, I also find that, on a daily basis, Thrive Architect and Thrive Leads are not the easiest (or simplest) to use and they tend to weigh down the site.

                    So I’m really thinking about not using them anymore.

                    I started with Thrive Theme Builder. I use a much lighter theme. I chose Kadence but Neve is very good too.

                    I’m thinking of replacing Thrive Architect with the Gutenberg editor and block plugins (Kadence Blocks and EditorsKit). Even for landing pages.

                    And Thrive Leads will be replaced by Convert Pro.

                    That’s it… A little thought in passing…

                      • September 21, 2021 at 9:27 am #3533216

                        I get it. I really do. I think you nailed it with Thrive. It is incredibly polished and powerful and they’ve done a great job, but it is sorely lacking when it comes to “playing nice with others”. They seem to prioritize doing their own thing for everything.

                        I’ve seen many people who move to Kadence Blocks and block editor and usually they get big speed increases.

                        Could also look into Elementor. Has more payload than Kadence, but it is like Architect with integrations.

                        • September 21, 2021 at 9:27 am #3533221

                          Yes, I have tried Elementor. I find it almost more convincing than Thrive Architect, only slightly less powerful. And the native integrations are cool 🙂

                          It’s an option I’m keeping under my hat…

                          • September 21, 2021 at 9:27 am #3536808

                            Update: I think Thrive’s new “conditional display” might just work for you using Thrive’s native functionality.

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